Mr. Saltwater Tank Interviews Brett Raymer, Star of Animal Planet’s “Tanked”
A lot has been said about Animal Planet’s show “Tanked” and I wanted to talk to the horse’s mouth before forming my opinion.
Here’s my opinion on “Tanked”:
First, I think it is great that a show about saltwater tanks has hit mainstream TV. More people interested in saltwater tank hobby can’t hurt especially if these new comers are educated in the correct way about how to keep a tank.
Second, Could the show use more of an educational component?
Absolutely and I’m all for it.
However, that’s not Animal Planet’s format. Animal Planet has a format that works (reality TV drama) and very likely they’ll stick it to it as any network seeks to find a formula that works, then repeat it again and again and again. Branching out isn’t something networks like to do as they have no idea what the return ($$) will be. (Note: I’m not defending Animal Planet, I’m just letting you know how the reality TV industry works as I used to work in it.)
That being said, if you don’t like what you see on the show, talk to Animal Planet as they have the creative control over the show, so they can (and hopefully they will according to Brett) add in an educational component.
In other words, don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Third, Do I agree with all of what is show on the show? Absolutely not. Certainly people who watch Mr. Saltwater Tank TV know I don’t advocate filling your tank with tap water and adding in a lot of fish.
Does that mean I should hate Brett’s guts and flame him every chance I get?
No.
The best thing we can do as a hobby is direct our suggestions (not flaming emails) to Animal Planet. Will Animal Planet respond? I can’t say, but if they got hundreds of thousands of emails, we will have a better chance of them paying attention than us sitting around complaining to each other about the show.
Lastly, after talking to Brett and clearly seeing that he’s out to help the hobby and to educate children on the wonders of the ocean, my hat is off to him for actually doing something about what he is passionate about.
I wish him much success in having his pilot program in Nevada schools be a huge success so that it gets implemented on a large scale. I don’t think any of us would complain if his program grew into a national program where there was a saltwater tank in every classroom.
If a program like that makes it to Texas schools, I’ll be happy to donate frags and equipment to see the program grow.
Don’t live animals make it different? If it were puppies instead of fish people would be screaming for their heads.
I was not privy to any arguments that took place. Everytime we passed the booth he was signing autographs.
As for misconceptions, he explained much of what you don’t see on the show. True people can say whatever they want, and it is interesting to read especially when so many just come off sounding bitter and resentful. If you met him and he was a jerk, sorry. He was very nice to us, and I noticed many of the vendors I talked to were speaking highly of him.
There is no harm in promoting his show everyone at macna was promoting something. Glad you keep up with what word on the street is, but does it really matter. Also if you have never had a fish die or done anything in error when dealing with your tank, maybe you should pitch animal planet for a show. At the end of the day success makes many an enemy
Weren’t you the one saying that if you didn’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything? How come you don’t take your own advice? The conversation is fine, but the putdowns are annoying from someone who preached about saying only nice things.
Most everyone else promoting something at MACNA paid for the privilege and didn’t have a captive audience at dinner to preach to.
The word on the street matters just as much as the word of the person trying to sell you on how great he is. Why do you believe him – because he is on TV?
I had my 15 minutes of famousness, and I didn’t care for it much, so I am not all that interested in getting my own show, especially if I have to sell out so much to get it – but thats me. If it makes you feel good though, keep trying to attack me personally while believing that you aren’t actually saying something not nice.
I agree that the opinions are interesting to read. You see bitter and resentful, I see vacuous sheep who believe someone just because they are on tv.
BTW, I wish them all the success in the world.
i would like to retract my last statement it was too negative
and i am sorry if people got jumpy about it
mark is absolutely right he it the spot with the questions and we got the answers can’t really ask for more
i like the show and i think they make really cool stuff
it will hopefully bring people into the hobby and that is positive
Great video! I love the new show Tanked even though the show received negative reviews on ReefCentral.com. The posts on ReefCentral.com were extremely negative about the show even though I have posted my own opinions and trying to educate people how an aquarium builder/ maintance company actually works! I have actually lost respect for ReefCentral.com for the negative posts from hobbiests which are only beginners and amateurs themselves in the first place! Obviously they show how Brette and his crew “dumped” fish in an “uncycled” tank. But in reality they don’t show the additives and bacterial enoculators that provide the bioballs with enoculated bacteria! Duhhhh!!! There is a lot of tips and tricks that only maintnance companies know! No customer is going to be patient enough to wait six to eight weeks for a tank to cycle to add fish. Thats why they have bioballs pre-populated with beneficial bacteria! So in short hobbiests jumped the gun without thinking rationally and started there criticism where it wasn’t deserved. And Brette is correct, this is for entertainment only!!! Not an educational series.
Marc
I was not putting you down, I don’t even know who you are! I was not preaching only pointing out that all the negative comments only help to promote what so many are against. Nor was I referring to you in a singular aspect as being bitter or resentful that was a generalization.
If the reference was that I am a sheep following the heard that comment is completely with out merit, however you are entitled to your opinion, but I can tell you for a fact that several lfs that I frequent have stated that their walk in business has increased because of people wanting a tank, after watching tanked. I do not see that as a bad thing, regardless of what you personally think of Brett.
I don’t see how being a sheep and LFS business increases have anything to do with each other.
Mark F. — I think the comparison he was trying to make when he paired himself with the president and bill gates is that they are all starters/firsts at something… Not that he is as important or well off, etc…
Its a known fact these guys aren’t designing,building,setting up and stocking these tanks these tanks in an hour; there is aot of behind the scenes footage you aren’t seeing…and that should be common knowledge from anyone who watches tv… and it has been made very clear by brett himself. He also has stated he has zero control of what they put of him doing on the air… the could air him in the bathroom for an hour if they wanted too…
Guru–you really just come across as jealous…
It’s not all that bad of a show… it is tv after all… and he is spot on if you take everything you see on tv to heart… well you deserve what you get
The new hit show “TANKED” on ANIMAL PLANET is a great show that is very lively and entertaining while introducing the wonderful world of aquariums and marine-life to the masses. “TANKED” is a very refreshing show and neat to see a family coordinated on a daily basis to run and operate a successful aquarium business and everybody starring on “TANKED” brong their own unique talents and personalities to the show and I really enjoy the realistic aspect of the aquarium builds from start to finish of the installation process when the client is amazed with their new aquarium,and the creativuty of the crew is incredible,the friendly people on “TANKED” are actually aquarium fabricating artist’s,I watch every episode and look forward to the following week’s show in great anticipation.
What did I write that makes it seem like I am jealous? I am really interested in that because I think those that are saying it just don’t like what I am saying, and instead of simply disagreeing, want a reason to dismiss me so they come up with ‘jealous’.
Its not necessarily what you said, but the voracity of the vendetta you have for the them. Your either jealous or trolling, or both… we understand your point on the subject man, give it a rest.
There are only two possible reasons for my posting here? Trolling or Jealousy? No other reason? Its not possible that I am interested in this stuff? Its not possible that I think simply accepting this guys word is not a good idea in general? Its not possible that I am am passionate? It not possible that I enjoy the discussion?
I think its sad that you are reduced to only thinking of two options. I am not jealous (which I figure you will translate into something like ‘see, he really is jealous or he wouldn’t say he isn’t jealous’. Trolling? Only in the sense that any internet posting is trolling.
I think that just because I am not kneeling at the alter of Brett is no reason to tell me to give it a rest – unless of course you are going to tell people who have multiple posts about how great he is to give it a rest too.
I’ll try to make this short and sweet and then I am done with this “discussion” with you Guru, as I’m not one for argueing with R-Tards.
“He gave the interview and went to MACNA because he wants exposure so he can get more money. Thats what he said when I talke to him.”
-He does run a business… This is not uncommon….
“Word on the street is that ATM was going under and was only saved by getting the show.”
-Need a little more than a word here for this to really make a difference on the “disccusion”… Fact would be nice… FACT: ATM takes on more than 200 builds every year… That word still a good one?
“True, but he is very arrogant”
-Looked in the mirror lately?
“I talked to him and he was gross – people who disagree with him are stupid”
-You starting to see the relation yet?
“its all about the money”
-I don’t think this is entirely true as he has stated several times that he started the business 15yrs ago(well before the show) because of his passion.. If it was… revert back to he is a business owner and his profession is sales…nothing less than expected.
“anything he says should be taken with a huge grain of salt”
-I’ll agree with this, but I say it about most everyone (your on that list)…
“What does building aquariums have to do with knowing how to keep fish?”
-Just about as much as riding a motorcycle does with building one… Kinda hard to build something if you don’t know what you’re building it to do… again this is not uncommon.
“ Don’t live animals make it different? If it were puppies instead of fish people would be screaming for their heads.”
-True, But again, do you have any facts he is actually harming/killing these fish? If people were as passionate about fish in general as they are about puppies you could kiss this hobby as we know it good bye…
“Most everyone else promoting something at MACNA paid for the privilege and didn’t have a captive audience at dinner to preach to.”
-Most everyone at MACNA also doesn’t have a television broadcasted show.
“Why do you believe him – because he is on TV?”
-Why don’t you? – Because he is on TV and runs a business? DUH.
“I had my 15 minutes of famousness, and I didn’t care for it much, so I am not all that interested in getting my own show”
-Deniability…
“BTW, I wish them all the success in the world”
-Nice of you
“I don’t see how being a sheep and LFS business increases have anything to do with each other.”
-This is plain wrong, even if I was to carry on the conversation from your standpoint… You claim people are becoming “sheep” and flocking to him and what he does, because he is on TV… and you can’t see how the “sheep” would increase the business for LFS in their respective areas? Really?
“I think those that are saying it just don’t like what I am saying, and instead of simply disagreeing, want a reason to dismiss me so they come up with ‘jealous’.”
-Again it’s not what your saying, it’s how your saying it. I don’t need a reason to dismiss you.
“Its not possible that I am interested in this stuff? Its not possible that I think simply accepting this guys word is not a good idea in general? Its not possible that I am am passionate? It not possible that I enjoy the discussion?
-I will break this down for you to make it easier on you…
-“Its not possible that I am interested in this stuff?”-this is a mute point, everyone here is, or they wouldn’t be. Do I really have to state the obvious…wait n/m
-“Its not possible that I think simply accepting this guys word is not a good idea in general?”- You’ve made this point clear on several replies… revert to the first explanation
-“Its not possible that I am am passionate?” – Jealously usually has that effect.
-“It not possible that I enjoy the discussion?” –lets not sugar coat things… this is past the discussion stage for you.
“I think its sad that you are reduced to only thinking of two options.”
-Really didn’t feel I would have to itemize them for you…but yet here we are.
“Trolling? Only in the sense that any internet posting is trolling.”
-Posting is one thing, trying to find something witty and negative to say on several posts is another…your trolling.
“I think that just because I am not kneeling at the alter of Brett is no reason to tell me to give it a rest”
-Never said you had to kneel, nor do I expect you too… I just want you to think a little more before you post certain things… We get your point, you don’t like him, or the “sheep” who don’t agree with your view of him or his show… And I’ll show others just like you the same respect regardless what their stand point is.
The show is terrible. I blame the producers for the sloppy portrayal of fish and coral husbandry. Brett and Wayde can’t be blamed for being bad actors, the terrible contrived banter, or the misinformation about the hobby. Watching this video, though, I see that Brett is defensive and nowhere near as articulate as the scriptwriters and editors of this fake reality show make him on the teevee.
The show is all about entertainment, but it’s not actually entertaining. It’s not just a knockoff of every other reality show, it’s a bad knockoff.
Again, no disrespect to the ATM guys. They are being very smart. I would have done the same thing in their shoes. I hope they prevail in getting the producers to offer a more realistic impression of fish and reef keeping. If they did, they might find out that fancy filtration and lighting and marine biology can be made extremely interesting to viewers and a welcome departure from the usual reality tripe.
Boonjob –
Nice with calling me retarded. Very cool!
I don’t see how any of that shows that I am either jealous or simply trolling. I have no problem with you not liking what I have to say, but claiming to know what my real motivations is silly.
😉
im 14 and i already have a 20 gal started
The Guy seemed on the hotseat.
Hey mark, great interview! Just to throw in my two cents I think the show has some excellent potential. However with that being said I think they have to focus some what more on what goes on inside the tank and not the out, and on one of the later episodes how Brett finds out about Feng Shui that particularly made me upset how they tried to bring in a “faith” or “belief” into it. I want it to focus on what the how is actually suppose to be about.
-Joe
Wow! Lots of comments.
I’m in the camp that believes it is wrong to not properly setup a tank. These are living creatures that aren’t any less deserving of life than anything else. I take offense to Brett claiming he isn’t responsible for educating his customers. It’s absolutely his responsibility because customers are paying him a lot of money with the implied notion that he is showing them the correct ways.
I understand the struggles of running a business, but don’t use that as an excuse to be unethical.
I want that tank behind you at the beginning of the episode. But i cant figure out the name of the company. Any ideas?
Thx
What I don’t get is why people for some reason think they are using tap water or are not properly setting up a tank. I mean it is just a one hour show. They can’t show every aspect of the build and keep it entertaining at the same time. Remember people who are in the reefing hobby make up a very small percentage of viewers. Remember its not a saltwater hobby educational show its a show about a very well known aquarium building company and the people that run it.
And if they were filling the tanks with tap water don’t you think they would have very unhappy customers some of which include Sea World, zoos and other public aquariums around the country. Enjoy the show and leave the rest to the experts!
They were using tapwater. Hot tapwater. Thats why the ice was added. At MACNA he said they wouldn’t show that kind of thing again, but that that was how they worked.
How do you know they don’t have unhappy customers?
I guess my biggest misconception was more about the Network rather than the show. I thought Animal Planet was to teach us about animals in the wild and how to properly care for them in captivity. I thought Animal Planet was an educational channel, obviously I was wrong, as even Brett points out in the video. If you want something educational, turn off the TV and go to google. I do find that sad even if it is true. That was the main reason I cut off all TV many years ago, the lack of educational programming.
“Ultimately” lol XD
I’m 13, and have a 30 gal reef tank, a 40 gal reef tank, a 10 gal freshwater tank, and a biocube with small predacious fish in it (About 20 gal.) I also help my friend (Who is 50 and a highschool chemistry teacher, he also owns Discount Flies.com) with the many tanks at his high school. I think its fair to say that I’m addicted, but that is not a bad thing at all. 😀
I have watched very episode of tanked thus far and it has some entertainment value but I think the format of the show is doing more harm than good to the hobby. This show needs to have some educational value on the proper way of acclimating fish into a new aquaruim. Im also not a fan of the aquascaping that they do on the show as I am an advocate of real live rock and corals. The environment they set up is not natural for marine fish. Also I have seen some episodes where they give little thought to species compatability in an aquaruim setup. If the goal is entertainment to get people exicted about the hobby then great but you will lose these people quickly when they fail at fishkeeping. I have yet to hear anything on this show about the Nitrogen Cycle….they just dump tons of fish into a new setup….Ammonia crash. The show can be fun with entertainment but it not doing just service by not addressing some educational pointers.
love the show!!!
Robert I… very good point, I wonder what the owner’s face looks like when the water is foggy and the live stock is dead do to the increase in ammonia. Not good…
Looks like the telephone booth tank from “Tanked” is already up for sale on EBay due to “financial and personal issues”:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Phone-Booth-Aquarium-show-Tanked-Animal-Planet-/220855263832#ht_952wt_1398
I think the show is awesome, these guys are amazing with acrylic! It is definitely entertaining. What I want to know is how I can get on the list of people to receive some of their new products for testing?
Let’s think of an easy comparison so that everyone can put things in perspective. We have a bunch of big fat loud guys who are building custom items for high end clientele.
American Choppers anyone?
Now, you watch american choppers and you think, “wow, those bikes look really cool, I want a chopper!”
So you go to a motorcycle shop and buy a bike and drive it off the lot without taking any motorcycle classes or learning to ride a bike or buying any safety equipment (you just go with cutoff vest sunglasses and the little tiny skullcap like the guys on the show). You obviously have a high chance of crashing that bike and murdering yourself. Because your an idiot and believe that reality TV about experts is a realistic outcome for a first timer.
So if you go ahead and take all your advice from tanked where two fat new yorkers fake argue with a guy named Redneck about BUILDING aquariums and not about actually using one, then your tank will have a high chance of crashing and all your fish will be murdered. Because you are an idiot and believe that reality TV is a goddamn learning material.
These are experts that are allowed to take some shortcuts because they have been doing it forever and know all the tricks of the trade, all tricks that go on behind the scenes. In the end it comes out looking great for TV, but if you try and replicate any TV reality show as a first timer without looking for more information your results will be disapointing if not disasterous.
It’s like watching one season of Survivor and then thinking you can survive in the wild with all those skills you learned. Or watching Miami Ink and thinking you could probably give yourself a pretty badass looking tattoo.
A little more critical thinking required here. People seem to be acting naive about all other reality TV programming over the last decade for the sake of an argument.
Ok. Phil, you have issues. First, you are comparing a human life to the life of a fish. Not remotely similar in any way. I love fish the same as the next reefer but I have lost a few fish in my day and never lost a nights sleep over it no matter how bad I was bummed.
Any person who is going to watch a tv show (i.e. Survivor, American Choppers) and go out and do the things the people on the show do is an idiot already, they don’t need “Tanked” to convince them to do something stupid like invest a bunch of money into a reef tank with out doing their research.
In conclusion, I think the real matter is that we are showing people how fun it can be to have a aquarium and to get them interested. I am sure we all got into this hobby not knowing as much as we know now and that is part of the adventure of it. This hobby is a lot of trial and error even if you have all the facts. Every tank is different and I see beautiful tanks all over the web with parameters that I have heard other “experts” say are outrageous but it works in their tanks obviously. It is the responsibility of the hobbyist to do their research and prepare them selves for the ups and downs of owning a reef tank.
I watch the show and enjoy it for it’s entertainment value. But I’m not sure everything can be explained by the “format” of the show.
For example, the infamous tap water hose. Lets assume that the water and ice was well filtered using a hotels filtration system. We see the fish sitting in boxes as they are filling the tank and cooling the water. But shouldn’t they let the salt and water mix for 24 hours before adding livestock? It says that right on the salt buckets.
Also, the phone booth tank had lots of tangs. If you admit to stocking that many tangs on a web forum, the Tang police will come for you. Shouldn’t these guys know this with their 200 years combined experience.
When selecting fish, they lift them out of the water. They did this with a puffer fish. I understand this can be very stressful specifically to puffers.
In the interview, did he say that he learned about not using tap water during the filming of the show?
Also, the biological products he speaks of… That doesn’t address what appears to be extremely overstocked tanks. They don’t appear to use much live rock, and the biological filters for such tanks don’t appear to be sufficient for their tendency to overstock.
The guy is a giant douche. He explains their failing because it’s entertainment? Yeah, well the fish on your show I’m sure beg to differ. You can NOT explain your way out of filling a tank with HOT TAP WATER then dumping ice in it. It’s way too absurd. Also making skate ramp tank!? Holy hell, really? Poor fish. He can say whatever he likes, but the show does a huge disservice to the the hobby and live fish everywhere.
hey mark im working on setting up my first saltwater tank ALL BECAUSE OF WATCHING Brett’s show! Ive been into freshwater fish and had aquariums since i was 10 im also an avid breeder and collector of rare types but never wanted to even try saltwater before i seen “Tanked”, but now im hooked. im going to end up blowing all my money trying to get supplies for my new tank =/ any money saving suggestions from you or anyone reading this?
IMO and based on very recent experience..there is no saving money in a saltwater tank build.
I know it’s late to comment on this, but I wanted to throw this out there. I watched tanked and now I have a reef tank. If it wasn’t for that show reminding me that this hobby still exists I wouldn’t be here. I live in Florida where there are “lfs gone wild” and I have not once had someone even talk to me about having a saltwater tank. Talk about a dead and dying hobby. I love the hobby, I learn new things everyday, I can’t stop staring at my tank. And coming from a newb I’m not stupid enough to think their steps are the way it is supposed to be. I asked one question and found a heck of a lot of information about keeping reefs and how to start. All I have seen is so much bashing, it’s gone to some of you aquarists heads, if it wasn’t for tanked I wouldn’t be in the hobby, I wouldn’t have made a new friendship with my local LFS owner Charlie, I wouldn’t have been supporting the hobby and local businesses in this manner. Think about the awareness Tanked has brought back to the hobby and stop whining about what they do wrong. I’m sorry but normal life people don’t give a crap about skimmers, refugiums, reactors and refractometers, they want entertainment, just saying.
This show is a BIG Black eye for the hobby, a Big joke and makes people want to start tanks the exact same way. To Kill more life… even his wife calls him an idiot on many occasions. They have a “D” rating with the BBB and show Blacktip reef sharks in tanks which are on the IUCN red list. Octopus should never be kept in tanks due to their very short life span. Just add magic drops and you can add boxes-o-fish all in the same day. Alot of people are disappointed in the way Animal Planet has exploited the “Hobby”, but of course fish have no rights.
There is nothing wrong with keeping any of the animals they display. All of the animals however should be kept in a respectful safe manner. The last episode I saw with the skateboard ramp was by far the worst. Those poor fish are going to be traumatized by the people skating on the tank. The animals will die off due to stress.
My problem isnt with a show that wants to show the build of cool tanks, my problem is that this company is all about pleasing companies/people and not about taking care of the animals. I used to enjoy the show, but the skate board ramp just showed me how little respect they have for the animals that will be housed in the tank.
If they expressed any concern for the fish in this set up Animal Planet sure didnt do anything to show that. All in all the show is crap and should be canceled.
People are educated by their TV in today’s world. This still does not make false claims true or ok because it’s for fun. Truth is the world’s oceans are going extinct because of the waste of life by the aquarium trade to make more money instead of caring for life until its too late. After 40 years they still mix all the fish in the same water and use the same high chemicals to keep the parasites down from the fundamental flaw of putting all the fish in the same water. Then just add a magic bottle of nothing and presto instant killing box because fish do not have rights like other pets and nobody has to check the bottles-o-junk to see if it does what it clams or has what it says in it or it just does not have to say what is in it at all because fish,coral and inverts have NO RIGHTS! I can put bleach in a bottle and tell you it cures ick and is reef safe and nobody checks nothing. The whole industry has become a scam to kill more life for profit than last year just like any business. Animal Planet is a good name if they keep promoting the death of sea creatures for profit…there will only be animals left on the planet.
Dude seriously..chill out..they’re just fish. They’re not humans. Just because you didn’t get your tuna fish sandwich exactly when you wanted it at school doesn’t mean we need a referee to jump in at every little perceived problem..where none exist. God made plenty of fish to go around. Relax! 🙂
Wow, I dont agree with the show but saying animals should have rights is to extreme. Fish dont have “rights” because they are FISH! People really need to get over this California mind set. Fish are food. They are also pretty to look at, and should be kept as long as its done respectfully and they are cared for properly. Fish shouldnt have rights. People should be educated and should also care about the animals they keep.
It all comes down to the almighty dollar I am afraid. But by people like us expressing out distaste for the show and telling Animal Planet all the things that are wrong with this show, that will make a change.
Have ever cooked and eaten live lobster or crab!?! It is really good!! Dropping them live in a pot of boiling water and then having a super-sized fry from McDonalds to go with it!! And for dessert i wash it all down with a xtra large Wendy’s chocolate smoothy!! Delicious! In fact, its whats on the menu for tonight!! Yum!! 🙂
Most of the world is covered with ocean and the creatures in it. Do we really need to bring it all on land to live in a box to die for a few days claiming we saved them from the sea by doing so? After all, educating our children in what will soon be gone in the world’s oceans is very important for them to get one last good look at what we killed for our viewing pleasure, nothing more! Better to feed a whole country with fish from the sea than kill the same amount everyday in the aquarium industry for no good reason. Our hearts are in the right place but they’re beating to the wrong drum.
BryanD you’re just being an ass now and its not needed. The point is the show is crap and they show absolutely no regard for the animals they put in these tanks. If they have bacteria that they are adding they should show which kind. Doctor Tim’s One and Only has been proven to work even if you dont know whats in it. Aquariums all over the world are using these different bacterias to start up their tanks. If they are using it then SHOW PEOPLE that is what you are doing. The problem I have is the show/producers/Animal Planet and everyone else connected to it show absolutely no regard for these fish. Thats the point and we shouldn’t lose sight of it.
Yes we do need to bring them home and put them in a box for MY viewing pleasure!! I get so much happiness from sitting in front of my 150 gallon fish tank and watching all of Gods creation alive and intereacting with each other!! Its insipring, exciting, and so educational. The best is when i can watch my fish show whilst eating a delicious broiled salmon with a baked potatoe extra butter and tons of salt!! Its so good!!
You enviros must not have a talk show to bother with seminar calls or a park to occupy today!!
The aquarium people claim to care and want to take better care of the ark they claim to be but yet they should not have the right of not having a bottle of poision poured on them like other pets. You can’t make dog shampoo that kills dogs but it is ok to make and sell bottles of poision to pour on fish because they’re just fish. Wasting life for whatever reason or whatever life is wrong. Old School!
My, Me, I…
Wow SeaSave, you really need some prospective. I guess you are also one of those people who think that we shouldn’t use rats to study cancer or anything else for that matter. There are a great many good things that have come from studying the animals from the oceans and I am willing to bet that its affected your life in some way whether you know it or not… ooo do you take vitamins? Thats one easy example.